Blog Prompt 14: What does Descartes demonstrate with the wax example? How does it fit into his main argument for dualism?

Meditation II Of the Nature of the Human Mind; and that it is more easily known than the Body. 

Notes _# _2

II ) many – doubts – still with in the minds reach. 

   manner – how could those thoughts that interfere with my inner most thinking be solved 

The author makes some kind of plea to the idea that he will put aside what he once thought was true to make sure his new ideas will be true for sure. And to know that his new ideas are true he will “doubt” them all from the beginning to end. 

all things are false = nothing but fiction = “Perhaps nothing at all, unless that there is nothing in the world that is sertain.”

The author mentions a new idea that being that if there is no God who puts ideas and thoughts of questions there is no God into his mind.

Body and senses – if taking away would he still be him or rather not exist at all?

-being able to persuaded one self of something makes a person real – The write than goes back to the idea that there could be a person who is deceiving him. And if there is a person such as that than their must be a him to be deceived.

  • He seems to be sure that he is he, but dose not want to put that meaning of who he is behind an object. Saying there should be reasoning with each conclusion and if the answers to the questioning do not lead to the answer that his conclusion is incorrect.

There are questions within questions so there is no specific answer to the question being asked.

Sensations – are what makes us us? but are they really or is it merely a false conclusion ?

Thought – “attributed that be belongs to me” – but do they really belong to you and you alone?

  • A thing which thinks – which doubts – understands [conceives], affirms, denies, wills, refuses, which also imagines and feels 
  • pertain to my nature 
  •                                 – doubts nearly everything 
  •                                 – understands certain things 
  •                                 – affirms that one only is true 
  •                                 – denies all the others
  •                                 – desires to know more 
  •                                 – averse for being deceived 
  •                                 – imagines many things 
  •                                 – perceives many

Is there likewise any one of there attributes which can be distinguished from my thoughts or which might be said to be separated from myself?

Phenomenas which are seen as false aren’t always so.  Our precise sense is ours and ours alone however we know its true even tho others may not feel or see them they are true to us.  The are also what makes us us.

  • Even with this “clearness” the author still questions it  and thinks its a good thing because by questioning his ideas now they can be narrowed latter.

Wax – is an object that can be changed but even after that change it is still wax 

wax + fire  = still makes it wax maybe a different shape but nevertheless WAX

    

                                                               Infinitude 

Wax can be looked at as a person, even with age he or she is still that very same person. It he or she could be older and full of knowledge but nevertheless he of she is still that being in this vessel own as body. That body too is changed, it is a fact that with age our bodies  change not for the better but rather the worst.

Wax’s “variation in extension” dose not change its original being or wax. Was is still the element of which it was composed before such events took place.

” Yet I judge these to be men. And similarly solely by the faculty of judgment which rests in my mind, I comprehend that which I believed I saw with my eyes. “ 

It is wee who put ideas together and prior knowledge to know what has happened to the wax. We use that to understand that wax is still was no matter how much it has melted.

 As uncertain as things are there is something that is certain and that is “ I can nevertheless not perceive it thus without a human mind.

Blog Prompt 14: What does Descartes demonstrate with the wax example? How does it fit into his main argument for dualism?

Descartes  demonstrate the was example as in to question out prior knowledge. To make us think of what we really know and how if an idea is changed is it still it’s self. It can also apply to a human even tho we may change with time we may still be that same person. It also can be connected to how we may change but out prior knowledge can still effect us. It can effect us in how we view the world in the today and now. It is that prior knowledge which makes us, us. We must all stop and think about what we truly know or what we have been tolled. Where we have made connections and where we have received things without any knowledge of the actual events. Dualism comes in because we the have a false reality that we our self may not ever know we had. We must stop and think about our answers to see in there is more than one answer to the problem. We must also consider that there maybe not right answer that both can be some what false. Someone can connect that to what they know as who they are can also apply to others. It can apply to so many that what makes you, you can also make them, them.

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