The idea of the beds is that any reality can be questioned. Its like questioning the authority which you are using. The fact the matter of is your authority may not be one I find right. Like if when people who believe in the bible use that as a authority source, for those who don’t believe in it that source is of no value. To people who don’t believe in such a source it is as mush a value as Harry Potter books. When making argument you must first know you audience. By knowing them you are much more likely to see where it is they are coming from and use a source that would be of a value to them. Similar to children, to know the most accurate source is a parent. A parent had have different views from those of a teacher, when that teacher is put in to play the child is lost. With so many things contradicting each other it can leave one in a a bit of a lose for words.
Blog Prompt 7: What is the difference between “beds in the world” and “the idea of a bed?” Where does “art” fit into his hierarchical scheme of reality? Plato criticizes art for being “deceptive.” How does art deceive us, according to Plato? Do you agree with this criticism? VS
In his idea philosophers should be in control. Art is bad because some art has nothing to do with knowledge. Knowledge is logic, and act seems to lack logic. To Plato we do not think of new ideas but rather copy old ones that were created long ago. The ideas we have we take from some where like out past or prior knowledge. However our past knowledge is different from those around us. We may see things differently from those around us. after all those around us could have different prior knowledge. According to him act is a physical object making, the idea is to make a twin which is a difficult all on its own. Homer is used as an example to show a show and not the actual events. The art of reenacting isn’t the same as the actual events that actually happen. There fore the idea that is that Homer knowns what his talking to is as fake as it gets. Another thing that comes to find is that art has us put us in the place of those the events are happening to. The events that art shows makes us fee like this is happening to us and we get upset not because of the events we are watching but because we remember similar sad events.
Lamentation – being very upset about something.
And the maker of either of them makes a bed or he makes a table for our use, in accordance with the idea –that is our way of speaking in this and similar instances –but no artificer makes the ideas themselves: how could he?”
In this quote you have the idea that not everything we make is the actual idea rather the notion of it. An example of such an event would be if I make a table or bed my self my way of making it could be totally different from those of others. The only similarity of the way I make my creation have that label or rather idea is if it fits the activity the object is intended for. For instance if I make a bed only one can sleep on is it still a bed? Is there a number a of people a bed should hold to make it a bed? On top of that one must first think about what is a bed. Same conceded can apply to the idea of a table. The idea of what a table in our society is used for can give us its function. But giving that we know its function dose not mean our tables will be similar in anyway or form.
“Yes, I did.
Then if he does not make that which exists he cannot make true existence, but only some semblance of existence; and if any one were to say that the work of the maker of the bed, or of any other workman, has real existence, he could hardly be supposed to be speaking the truth.”
According to this quote we do not make things we only copy the idea of those things. Which tells us if the idea already exists in out distant past we aren’t creating anything but rather repeating someone else’s work.
“I think, he said, that we may fairly designate him as the imitator of that which the others make.”
This quote address the idea of a painter that a painter dose not created anything but rather nearly puts the object on paper, The object he draws or paints already existed he only depicts it. So in this frame of thought a artist in no way or from makes the object.
“Then the imitator, I said, is a long way off the truth, and can do all things because he lightly touches on a small part of them, and that part an image.”
This quote can be read as person painting the image isn’t making it. Rather showing what the object is used for and is not making it any useful to the person in need of such an object. Poking fun of the artist he adds that only children and “simple person” will fall for such trick. Im just guessing here but a simple person would most likely be an uneducated one. One that lacks the knowledge to know what the idea between the imitation and the object is.
“The question, he said, should by all means be considered.
Now do you suppose that if a person were able to make the original as well as the image, he would seriously devote himself to the image-making branch? Would he allow imitation to be the ruling principle of his life, as if he had nothing higher in him?”
In this quote we read between the lines, is isn’t what is being said but how it is being said. What is being said is a clear attack at the very root of art. Calling it imitations, to lower the value of the actual hard work one puts into that “imitation”. A good imitation is a hard to achieve activity but according to this quote to be a part of such activity isn’t of must value.
“’Friend Homer,’ then we say to him, ‘if you are only in the second remove from truth in what you say of virtue, and not in the third –not an image maker or imitator –and if you are able to discern what pursuits make men better or worse in private or public life, tell us what State was ever better governed by your help?”
Here we get to the root of the people according to the speaker a man who isn’t apart of the event has no face value. In this idea we see that just being able to write about the subject dose not in anyway make you a person who will be of value to such events if they were to repeat them selfs. In such an idea only man who were apart of such events will be a value rather the writes who weren’t a part of them.
“That there are three arts which are concerned with all things: one which uses, another which makes, a third which imitates them?”
According to the speaker there is not just the image at hand but the use of it, objects and items can be used in different ways. One can draw it another may sit of the that very same object and a third could copy the item at hand.
“It will make a great difference whether he is seen or not.
When he is by himself he will not mind saying or doing many things which he would be ashamed of any one hearing or seeing him do?”
This quote is written after talking about sad events, events that can cause a person much pain. What the speaker is addressing here is out two faced ways. We are all two faced, we may call it by a different name but the idea is the same. We are one face at work and another around friends and family. We know what is deemed appropriate in our society, so we play a role. A role that goes out the window when we are around people that have the same views as us. Our modern society is a bit too sensitive, we avoid conflict but just no mentioning unpopular subject. We avoid it ass much as we can however sometimes one can one hold in so much and one say it slips. A wrong slip and society that is so sensitive turns agains you. That freedom of speech isn’t so free if we keep avoiding what really want to say. Having said that sometimes it is best to say nothing than to address things the “wrong way” and hurt someone. It is our sensitive that is killing freedom os speech and is making us avoid to speak up at all.